What do you do with Jesus when His followers let you down? In this episode, Pastor Kip gets real about the painful reality of “church hurt” and why so many walk away—not because of Jesus, but because of Christians who wound. From hypocrisy and cliques to scandals and broken trust, we explore why bad religion stings so deeply and how Jesus Himself actually predicted it would happen.

With some maple bar humor (of course), hammer analogies, and a look at Jesus’ own words, this conversation invites us to separate the failures of people from the goodness of Christ. Don’t let burnt dough or misused hammers erase the sweetness and healing of Jesus.