In the latest episode, Sebastian and Drennen sit down with podcast producer extraordinaire Chris Wade (And Introducing, Chapo Trap House) to discuss the role of media in art, the value of satire as criticism, using commercial aesthetic for personal expressionism and Devo.

Check out Chris here: https://twitter.com/saywhatagain

Check out And Introducing here: https://soundcloud.com/and-intro-pod

Check out Devo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQps7n-o5n8

Thanks to Sean Caffrey for the artwork and graphics.