Most fans know Jared Hawkins from his popular show The Indie Wrestling Guide Podcast - but did you know this still-young man has also been an indie referee for almost 20 years? In this edition of The Outdated Wrestling Hour, host Bob Smith (best known for his years with Pro Wrestling Illustrated) talks to Hawkins about not only his hit streaming show, but also about what it's like to step between the ropes, enter the squared circle, and enforce the rules in the current wrestling. Of course, being the OWH, Smith will bring you back to the halcyon days of yesteryear with a look back at the most famous refs in the history of old school wrestling. It's another reason why The Outdated Wrestling Hour is the most original nostalgia podcast you'll hear anywhere.

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