This episode is for anyone who’s ever wondered if being kind makes you soft (spoiler: it doesn’t). In this soul-stretching, sass-laced convo, Katie sat down with the wise, radiant, and slightly magical Deb Crowe — coach, educator, yoga teacher, and bestselling author — to talk about a leadership philosophy that flips the script on old-school power games.

✨ What You’ll Learn (While Laughing + Crying a Little):

• Why leading from the heart is not weakness — it’s advanced-level humaning.
• The difference between servant leadership (others-focused) and heart-centered leadership (you-focused… first).
• Why we default to efficiency over empathy — and how the Industrial Revolution may still be haunting your calendar.
• The magic of “white space” in your day and why heart-led leaders need it like oxygen.
• That it's okay to wear pajamas all day, drink tea, read books, and not apologize for any of it.

✨ So hit play, Spark Fam. Because leadership from the heart? That’s where the real power lives. And if this hit you in the feels (or the funny bone), leave a review — it helps others find their spark too.

EPISODE RESOURCES

• Connect with Deb on LinkedIn
• Visit Deb's website: www.DebCrow.com
• Buy Deb's book: The Heart-Centered Leadership Paybook
• Book Recommendation: Into the Magic Shop by Dr. James Doty
• Book Recommendation: Heart-Centered Leadership by Susan Steinbrecher and Dr. Joel Bennett

Connect with Katie on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Instagram. You can also get free resources to help you on your purpose journey at www.katiesandoe.com.