This week Rob & Jon take a look at what could be an instant hit for Leica, Natwest’s new logo and an honest look at pricing in design agencies.

Our dialectically-opposed hosts then pick three of their favourite paintings and talk about them. Which is ideal for an audio-only podcast. Isn’t it?

Jon reviews another frozen second-hand pie. It wasn’t frozen like ice cream. He had defrosted it first. He’s not an animal.