In Episode 32, Alli resists the urge to fangirl as she welcomes one of her favorite podcasters to wrap up Manuary and discuss Louis Sachar’s Holes. A commercial and critical success, the novel has maintained its popularity for more than two decades thanks to its humor and sense of adventure — but from where we sit in 2019, we realize that there are bigger themes at play, as well, including race, class, and the prison industrial complex. Tune in to hear us talk all things Stanley Yelnats, along with broader conversations about how we process culture as adults versus how we process it as kids, the pressure we put on creators to have strong opinions, and why Holes has been so beloved for so long.

Kevin T. Porter is a writer and comedian and the host of the Gilmore Guys (currently focusing on The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel) and Good Christian Fun podcasts. Follow him on Twitter @kevintporter.

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