In this episode, Hunter and Ben interview professional obstacle racing athlete McCauley Kraker about McCauley's controversial articles, including:

-CONFRONTING FEAR AND MAKING CHANGES. ALSO, IS IT POSSIBLE TO RACE WELL WITHOUT INCORPORATING RUNNING INTO YOUR PROGRAM?

and

-RANT OF THE WEEK- 5 THINGS THAT ARE HURTING OCR’S LEGITIMACY

We also discuss the Apex camp!

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