Manton and Daniel catch up after Manton's speaking experience at Peers Conference. They talk about preparation techniques for public speaking, and how to adapt your talk to the audience at hand. Next they discuss the latest rumors about Apple's forthcoming declarative UI framework, and ponder how Apple would put such a framework through its paces internally without revealing it in shipping apps. They talk about whether Apple's leadership can be trusted to drive the company to the next major frameworks transition, and finally they react to Apple's latest eye-popping earnings report.