This week, Jess & Jack have a conversation about the recent Trans Day of Remembrance. Jack talks about a TDoR service he and his fiancé helped lead at their Episcopal church.

They also respond to a listener question about how churches can love trans people better. Jess talks about helping her older mainline congregation figure out pronouns—human and divine, and Jack shares a favorite poem from trans Christian poet Jay Hulme’s book The Backwater Sermons.

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