Some organic farmers, including Long Wind Farm’s Dave Chapman (a Vermont tomato grower), started growing food decades ago as part of a back-to-the-land movement focused on building healthier soil and communities. Now, they feel that the integrity of organic agriculture is being undermined due to developments like hydroponic production and factory-farm animal systems (CAFOs) being certified USDA organic. Host Lisa Held talks to Chapman about his views on organic farming, the recent protest movement he helped start (Keep Soil in Organic), and the Real Organic Project, a new certification standard being developed by organic growers.