In this episode, free from his need to rant about Kickstarter, Billy brings up Q.E. (1:47), a fun game that succeeds in making him feel like a failure financially! Ironically, it is a Kickstarter game. Maggie swings back on Alma Mater (14:18) having run her own university several times. Does she like it as much as Coimbra? Billy brings up storytelling as a mechanic, and the two talk about how Gloom (36:58) nails it.