In this episode, Steph and Steph sit down with Lisa (@szabon.com), the founder of Fear Less Changemakers. Lisa helps community members express themselves with confidence and communicate with respect and grace—especially when tackling difficult or controversial topics.

We dive into big questions like: When did this extreme divisiveness really begin? Why does it seem to be getting worse—and not just because of a single politician or media outlet, but on a deeper level, what’s actually happening in our world right now? Most importantly, what power do we, as individuals, have to bridge divides, engage with our leaders, and create conversations that foster real connection and lasting, meaningful change?

If you enjoyed this conversation with Lisa, be sure to follow her and explore the Fear Less Changemakers community. Links below!

https://www.szabon.com/

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