How do containers fit into your cloud native planning? That's a the question we start with this week, with (returning guest) John Feminella. We quickly arrive at a conversation on the larger question which is how to build a cloud platform and the allure of building it yourself. Also, we cover recent news in the infrastructure software space.

Show notes: https://content.pivotal.io/podcasts/avoid-the-ninja-anti-pattern-planning-out-your-cloud-platform-project