With Halloween fast approaching, we talk to Leonard Pickel of Hauntrepreneurs - a company that designs haunted attractions from the ground up. An architect by training, Pickel explains how he distorts the stuff he did in the studio to create spaces that put people on edge. He also explains the hardest type of person to scare, the scariest room he's ever designed, and the worst scare he's ever received.

The music in this episode is "Soundtrack 2, Act 3" by Tim Nelson, from "Caligari: An Exquisite Corpse - The Visitant, by The Tunnel."

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