In this episode, Alice and Chloe travel out to Pataka Art + Museum in Porirua to chat to their new Director, Reuben Friend. Reuben was the Creative New Zealand/Blumhardt Curatorial Intern at The Dowse six years ago, so Chloe and Alice found out how exactly one goes from being an intern to a director, and what Reuben hopes to achieve with Pataka, and his own curatorial practice.