The one where we revisit the Cultiverse with four former members of high-demand groups and current members of the International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA): science writer Paul Jensen (fmr. member of the Assemblies of God), trauma therapist Jackie Johnson (fmr. Jehovah’s Witness), and Sarah Edmondson and Anthony "Nippy" Ames (fmr. leading members of NXIVM).  We’ll also talk about the Twin Flames Universe--the newest cult scam for lonely lovers and new-agey drifters--and the way cults and conspiracists both use scapegoating as a tool for control and self-defense.  Brought to you by the latest anti-guru self-defense tool. 

TIME STAMPS:
1. Introduction/Conversation about the Twin Flames Universe (0:04:34)
2. Chapter 3: A Conversation about NXIVM with Sarah Edmondson and Nippy Ames (0:32:39)
3. A word from our sponsor (1:18:18)
4. Conversation with Sarah and Nippy (continued) (1:22:15)
5. Outro and outtakes (2:22:15)
(NOTE: None of these timestamps were left alone with Keith Raniere.)  

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