Tyler Maas speaks to The Promise Ring/Maritime drummer Dan Didier and Braid/Hey Mercedes bass player Todd Bell about their bands' role in emo's second wave, the rise and fall (and in Bell's case, rise again) of Braid and The Promise Ring, and whether they embrace or combat being called the "E-word" today. Between reminiscing and liberal gulps of Ale Asylum, Dider gives some updates on Maritime, and Bell gets listeners up to speed on what Braid is doing now.