Geoff is in the coastal town of Deal in Kent to meet with the wonderful jazz singer and lyricist Norma Winstone.

A childhood steeped in radio, a cinema crush on Lena Horne, and a record collection that swung from Ella and Louis to Sinatra’s ‘Only The Lonely’—Norma charts how a voice finds its own gravity.

We talk about the hinge moments that redirected the road: pub sit‑ins that led to John Taylor, the New Jazz Orchestra and Michael Garrick inviting the voice into instrumental roles, and Kenny Wheeler asking for words to expansive, breath‑testing lines. There's a live spin through Clifford Brown’s 1950s standard ‘Joy Spring’ (accompanied by the Quartet app) where she improvises new melodies while keeping the lyric intact, showing how language can anchor freedom.

Azimuth's origin story unfolds—an improvised loop, Manfred Eicher's instinct for flugelhorn and voice, and the Oslo sessions that changed how she heard her own tone. We touch favourites and influences, from Herbie Hancock's writing to the Bill Evans trio at Ronnie Scott's, and dig into stagecraft: moving past nerves by focusing on music, not self, and shaping a personal sound that carries feeling in the first syllable. Upcoming projects include Nikki Iles, Dave Holland, and Pete Churchill's choir, honouring Kenny Wheeler's poem settings with the care they deserve.

If you love vocal jazz, lyric writing, ECM lore, and the craft that turns breath into resonance, this conversation offers history, technique, and heart in equal measure. Follow and subscribe, share with a friend who loves jazz, and leave a review with the lyric that changed you—what's yours?

Presenter: Geoff Gascoyne
Series Producer: Paul Sissons
Production Manager: Martin Sissons
The Quartet Jazz Standards Podcast is a UK Music Apps production.