<p>This week's episode of the Catalyst Podcast asks what is it that you really want, and how are you taking steps to get it? First Tyler Reagin sits down with Bob Goff to talk about desiring the things that last, and then Jason Haynes chats with James KA Smith about developing routines to become who you want to be. </p>

This week's episode of the Catalyst Podcast asks what is it that you really want, and how are you taking steps to get it? First Tyler Reagin sits down with Bob Goff to talk about desiring the things that last, and then Jason Haynes chats with James KA Smith about developing routines to become who you want to be.

<p>This week's episode of the Catalyst Podcast asks what is it that you really want, and how are you taking steps to get it? First Tyler Reagin sits down with Bob Goff to talk about desiring the things that last, and then Jason Haynes chats with James KA Smith about developing routines to become who you want to be.&nbsp;</p>

Episode 373: Bob Goff // James KA Smith

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Episode 373: Bob Goff // James KA Smith