Magicians are massive geeks and we thoroughly enjoyed hearing about Ali Cook's lonely adolescence in this enchanting episode. Your hosts also find a moment on a park bench to discuss the toaster/Kryten overlap in Red Dwarf and share details of the idiotically simple video games they've been wasting their brains, time and 21st century computing power on this week.

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