Civil Case Committee Chair and friend of the podcast Michael Gelfand joins Ben and Drew to discuss *Estate of Genesis Petrillo v. Harper Martini & Peony Estates*, the 2020-21 AMTA case packet. Mike covers what it has been like behind the scenes when the committee had to change topics on short notice, how the committee approached writing a packet they knew would be tried exclusively online, whether the committee was concerned about the complexity of a two-defendant case, and how the case committee approached building the stories and theories for this case.