Our new friend Travis the artist (who’s had some pretty rad jobs) joins the show to take another stab at Joel’s caricature and hang out while as we talk about what being a creative actually looks like in the modern age. We get into the realities of making art for a living, how things have changed, and the weird ways creativity shows up now. Of course there’s the usual trivia chaos, a little fake news splattered in along the way… but hey, at least we caught it!!! It's episode 39!!