Denise Wilton, co-founder of B3ta and creative director at Moo, joins us this week to discuss creativity, community, Chris Morris, Commodore PETs, cross stitch, corpses, Community Chests and cheating.

Meanwhile, your hosts become angry and confused about popular culture and Leila badly wants to believe something Roo still can't bring himself to stomach.

Are you prepared to experience the most interesting thirty-six-and-a-bit minutes of your life so far? Go and get a cup of tea first. We'll wait.