John Gruber, one of the most famous bloggers of all time, sits down with Josh for a little one-on-one concerning all things tech. Those things? Apple, Tesla, Google, Twitter, and so much more. Have you ever heard two men violently agree and disagree about a phone's user interface? Have you ever heard two men discuss their hatred of a remote? Have you ever heard two men talk what it's like to gaze into the abyss? Well some of those things happen. LISTEN NOW.

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