Welcome to Episode 4, and thank you so much for listening. I imagine that many of you listening to this episode, have also listened to the first three episodes. It means so much to me that you keep coming back for more episodes. I have been fortunate to have conversations with some really fascinating people - who are all amazing composers. Evidently you agree.

First time listeners - welcome! If you don't already have a drink, get one - you deserve it. In fact, if you follow us on social media (Twitter: @whateverchoir; Instagram: @whateverandeveramen) you can see recipes for the drinks shared by the guest for each episode. They have brought some fun stuff and that would be a great way to engage in the episode.

Our guest for this episode is Dale Trumbore. I think I first became aware of Dale when I picked up a copy of her piece "The Whole Sea in Motion." At the time, it was far too advanced for the choirs I was conducting - but I quickly sensed that she was creating special music and knew that I would be programming her music in the near future. That was 2013. Fast forward to 2021 and Dale is one of the more popular and in demand composers around. She is also a very fine, and very accomplished writer. Her book "Staying Composed" is a must read for anyone creating art of any kind. We discuss everything from why California is wonderful to the perfect party music to the best way to set the word "yeasty" to music.

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