In this conversation, Kari Gerstheimer speaks with Donald Macaskill, Chief Executive of Scottish Care, about the state of social care in Scotland. They discuss Donald's journey into social care, the challenges and successes of the National Care Service, the importance of human rights in care delivery, and the pressing issues surrounding workforce and funding. Donald emphasises the need for a person-led approach to care, the significance of planning for end-of-life care, and the necessity of cross-party political agreement to drive meaningful reform in social care. The conversation concludes with a hopeful outlook on the future of social care, highlighting the potential of technology and innovation to enhance care delivery.