In this episode I speak to a real close friend/cousin/brother of mine, the one and only Roto Makara. During this episode we were deep into lockdowns here in Melbourne due to COVID and were adjusting to the new so called "Norm". We share our experiences on how COVID is affecting us, and take a lilttle walk down memory lane as we revisit our childhood and what it was like for us growing up in the islands, to leaving Rarotonga, and our paths crossing here in Melbourne.