Jamie and Chloe on the prophetic words of Christopher Lasch, the intersection of wellness and commodification,  and America's spiritual crisis.

Jamie and Chloe on the prophetic words of Christopher Lasch, the intersection of wellness and commodification, and America's spiritual crisis.

Episode 4: Enlightenment Inc.

<p>Join Chloé Valdary (NYT, Theory of Enchantment) and Jamie Kilstein (The Joe Rogan Experience, Conan) as they explore, well, just about everything. From hip hop and comedy&nbsp;to spirituality and politics, <em>So much Things to say</em> aims to help you figure out this f*cked up crazy world and discover the redemption in it -- and in yourself.</p>

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Join Chloé Valdary (NYT, Theory of Enchantment) and Jamie Kilstein (The Joe Rogan Experience, Conan) as they explore, well, just about everything. From hip hop and comedy to spirituality and politics, So much Things to say aims to help you figure out this f*cked up crazy world and discover the redemption in it -- and in yourself.

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Episode 4: Enlightenment Inc.

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