Today Mark and I are joined by Cisco Distinguished engineer Mike Dvorkin. Mike is one of the original architects of Cisco's UCS and their Application Centric Infrastructure and Application Policy Infrastructure Controller, as well as an advisor and investor in numerous infrastructure and technology startups. We hope you enjoy this ranging conversation over the origin story of UCS, the cost-benefit analysis of cloud repatriation, policy as code, and AI for cows.

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Special Guest: Mike Dvorkin.