On this episode, Curtis and Nancy are joined by Councilman Bob Holden, a dedicated advocate for animal rights. The discussion covers a wide range of topics, including the unethical treatment of carriage horses in Central Park, the harmful practices in rodeos, and the conditions in urban wet markets. Councilman Holden shares his motivations and the legislative efforts he has spearheaded to protect animals. The conversation also touches on the importance of electing officials who genuinely care about animal welfare and the need for substantial reforms in the city's animal shelters to establish no-kill policies. Moreover, they introduce Alicia Unis, Holden's staff member and candidate on the Protect Animals independent line. The episode emphasizes the urgent need for humane treatment of animals and highlights ongoing efforts to make significant changes in animal welfare policies in New York City.

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