Bjorn Beijnon (UvA) interviews Gerwin van Schie who is wrapping up his PhD on datafication of race and ethnicity in the Netherlands. Besides working on his PhD, Gerwin works as a lecturer at Utrecht University and works as a researcher at the Utrecht Data School. In this podcast Gerwin sheds a light on race and ethnicity data-driven practices that he has been studying in his PhD and he provides insights in how to be successful in developing and working on a PhD project.