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In this episode
I interview my best friend Betsy Bertram about creativity as a way of living—what she calls the art of life. Betsy shares how creativity can live inside everyday moments (even when life is busy), and why creative practice is one of the clearest pathways we have to intuition, healing, and freedom.
We talk about how our culture makes it easy to consume creativity and harder to create, and why co-creation—cooking together, making something with your hands, gathering in community—can feel like medicine.
Topics we explore
Creativity as “bringing intention” and doing things in a unique way
Why creativity expands when we release perfectionism and outcome-obsession
Temporary art: meals, mandalas, sketches, and why impermanence is liberating
Creative practice as a doorway to intuition (and why Betsy can’t really separate the two)
The difference between consuming art vs. co-creating
How time scarcity becomes a creativity block—and practical ways Betsy works with it
Portable creativity tools: keeping a journal + pens + knitting nearby
The story of Betsy’s dad’s “no rules” journaling practice—and what it teaches about freedom
What kids understand about creativity that adults often forget
Why community makes creativity feel safer and more alive
Quick-fire favorites
Betsy shares some of her favorite creative tools + books:
Favorite tools: blank journal, colorful pens (for mandalas), portable creative supplies
Favorite creativity books:
The Book of Alchemy (Suleika Jaouad)
The Creative Act (Rick Rubin)
Big Magic (Elizabeth Gilbert)
Mentioned
The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron
Morning pages + art journaling
Mandala practice as a simple, accessible creativity ritual
Yoga as a creative, embodied practice
Betsy’s upcoming retreat
Betsy is co-leading an October retreat on embodied creativity with author and creative writing professor Stephanie Elizondo Griest(Art Above Everything). It includes yoga, writing, nourishing meals, and a beautiful mountain setting near Asheville during peak leaf season.
Retreat link: https://www.betsybertram.com/workshops-1/2026/10/15/creative-embodiment-at-writing-yoga-retreatStephanie’s book: Art Above Everything (add link if you want)
By Honest conversations and intuitive insights for your creative and spiritual life.In this episode
I interview my best friend Betsy Bertram about creativity as a way of living—what she calls the art of life. Betsy shares how creativity can live inside everyday moments (even when life is busy), and why creative practice is one of the clearest pathways we have to intuition, healing, and freedom.
We talk about how our culture makes it easy to consume creativity and harder to create, and why co-creation—cooking together, making something with your hands, gathering in community—can feel like medicine.
Topics we explore
Creativity as “bringing intention” and doing things in a unique way
Why creativity expands when we release perfectionism and outcome-obsession
Temporary art: meals, mandalas, sketches, and why impermanence is liberating
Creative practice as a doorway to intuition (and why Betsy can’t really separate the two)
The difference between consuming art vs. co-creating
How time scarcity becomes a creativity block—and practical ways Betsy works with it
Portable creativity tools: keeping a journal + pens + knitting nearby
The story of Betsy’s dad’s “no rules” journaling practice—and what it teaches about freedom
What kids understand about creativity that adults often forget
Why community makes creativity feel safer and more alive
Quick-fire favorites
Betsy shares some of her favorite creative tools + books:
Favorite tools: blank journal, colorful pens (for mandalas), portable creative supplies
Favorite creativity books:
The Book of Alchemy (Suleika Jaouad)
The Creative Act (Rick Rubin)
Big Magic (Elizabeth Gilbert)
Mentioned
The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron
Morning pages + art journaling
Mandala practice as a simple, accessible creativity ritual
Yoga as a creative, embodied practice
Betsy’s upcoming retreat
Betsy is co-leading an October retreat on embodied creativity with author and creative writing professor Stephanie Elizondo Griest(Art Above Everything). It includes yoga, writing, nourishing meals, and a beautiful mountain setting near Asheville during peak leaf season.
Retreat link: https://www.betsybertram.com/workshops-1/2026/10/15/creative-embodiment-at-writing-yoga-retreatStephanie’s book: Art Above Everything (add link if you want)