Jenna talks to writer Nicole Stellon O'Donnell, whose daughter was diagnosed with cancer at 8 years old, about parenting during and after cancer. The conversation wanders across plenty of territory, from being the anti-helicopter parent, the fetishization of cancer in society, being your child's "chemo butler," and, of course, dogs (in this case, a corgi). And the episode isn't just for cancer kid's caregivers, there's plenty to think about whether you're a parent or other kid-adjacent or cancer-adjacent person, a cancer patient, survivor, cancer civilan, caregiver, or friend. Or if you just want to listen in as two women talk about some of the big stuff--and tumble around (and laugh about) some of the odd and hard things people go through.