In this episode, Clayton sits down with Benj Miller, founder of System & Soul and author of "Renegades." Benj shares the dramatic moment that changed everything: sitting in a beautiful atrium, spilling his guts about everything going wrong, when his coach asked, "Do you think you were created to run this business?" That question led him to walk back to his office, put his keys on Jason's desk, and say "You're in charge"—then leave.

Benj discusses why he calls himself a "visionary therapist" (the biggest challenge is identity, not competence), the brilliant "rent me" and "10-80-10" framework, and why visionaries carry weight like "wearing a tuxedo in the front and a hospital gown in the back." He explains why operators need compassion for that burden, how to find "the third option" where both people win at 100%, and why his book "Renegades" makes visionaries feel seen while helping operators understand the person on the other side of the relationship.

Connect with Benj Miller

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benj-miller-business-growth-impact-framework-coach/

System & Soul: https://www.systemandsoul.com/

Book: "Renegades" https://www.amazon.ca/Renegades