In this conversation, Dr. Claire Oliveros and Paloma Concordia, Founder/CEO of Papalodown Agency explore the complexities of leadership, particularly for women of color. They discuss the importance of sustaining personal well-being, decolonizing spirituality, and the interlocking demands of leadership and family life. Paloma shares her grounding practices, including spirituality, and emphasizes the need for hope and inspiration in challenging times. The discussion also touches on defining sustainability in leadership and the non-negotiables that help maintain balance and growth.