This week on Murder&, besties Ali and Jess—Diet Cokes in hand—return to the case of Kouri Richins, but this time, it’s more personal.

In this episode, Ali and Jess step beyond the headlines and into a more vulnerable conversation—reflecting on their own experiences as moms and wives in addition to the usual psychological and cultural analysis. And then there’s the detail that makes this case especially unsettling: after her husband’s death, Kouri authored a children’s book about helping kids cope with grief—adding another layer of complexity to an already troubling story.

This isn’t just about what happened—it’s about how we understand it, and how our own experiences shape the way we see stories like this.

Full episode drops on Wednesday May 27th.