In this part of the interview with Tom Davis, he focuses on learning by doing and how some faculty members are resistant to using this teaching method. Tom also discusses the miracles that happen to students as they progress through tribal colleges.

Groups from universities such as Harvard and Stanford have been visiting tribal colleges for a long time, so Tom explains the effect that this collaboration has had even outside of the Indian community. These groups often observe the use of experiential learning at tribal colleges, and we learn about the interactions they have with students who are exposed to this learning method.

Tom moves on to talk about his belief that the tribal college movement has not only influenced education, but American society itself. Though we may sometimes lose sight of that because of the chaos embedded in the society, Tom thinks that the resulting activities will make the world a better place in the long term. We then hear about small things that some parties have been concerned about within the tribal college movement that Tom states do not matter. This leads to Tom revealing one comment that does get on his nerves sometimes.

Some students enter tribal colleges seemingly lost and without knowing why they are there, but Tom has witnessed so much growth beyond this point. Before being treated to a poem from Tom about this evolution to end the episode, he speaks about a specific example of growth that he has recently seen from a student who was lost at first but is now entering graduate school.