Vanessa Brown and I discuss why you shouldn't have to have an MFA to make it in this world, snakes and symbology, as well as her exciting upcoming show at the Esker Foundation.

Photo Credits: Vanessa Brown, Mike Bourschied, other images retrieved from https://www.vanessa-brown.com/

Music Credits: Emily Scherzinger, intro and outro music; sample taken from Sigur Ros, "Saeglopur"