What separates the best from the great? In this episode, your hosts Gene and Matt dig into the uncommon habits, mindsets, and decisions that set elite leaders apart from the rest.

Taking turns, they each bring real-world examples, hard-earned insights, and even a few hot takes on the subtle (and not-so-subtle) ways the best leaders think, act, and lead differently. From how they build trust, to how they handle failure, to how they develop other leaders—this is not your average leadership list. Whether you’re leading a team, running a business, or just trying to lead yourself better, this conversation will challenge your assumptions and give you fresh ways to level up your own leadership.