This is episode forty-one of Curious, Connected Conversations, and Katy is joined by the wonderful Jo Gifford, a Content Creator for Changemakers. 

 In this conversation:

• Redesigning boundaries
• The ebb and flow of energy
• Wild swimming and its healing properties 
• ...and much more.

Connect with Jo via her website and Instagram.
Connect with Katy on her website,  Instagram, LinkedIn, and Facebook.

Music credit: Joseph McDade