Jeffrey Zeldman and Dan Benjamin are joined by Filipe Fortes and Scott Kellum, the creators of Treesaver to talk a little about working on closed platforms at Microsoft, how working on a dynamic open publishing platform based on web technologies is a little like building a train while you’re riding it, weighing hand-crafted layouts and algorithmic layouts, and combating template explosion.

Links for this episode:

• Treesaver.js
  
• Treesaver | Design for reading
  
• Filipe Fortes (fortes) on Twitter
  
• Scott Kellum (scottkellum) on Twitter
  

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