Ellen Thomas held a vigil outside the White House for many years. She favors a bill that is brought to Congress every year but never voted on: to shift money from nuclear weapons to a useful economy. Canadian activists Robin Collins and Earl Turcotte disagree about the best policy for Ukraine. Turcotte thinks it is realistic for Ukraine's allies to defend it militarily, while Collins considers Biden right in holding back, since Putin might respond with nuclear weapons. Both agree that there is a confluence of two contradictory impulses because of Putin's threat: a desire to abolish nuclear weapons because their risks are made so apparent, but also a demonstration that they can be valuable deterrents. NATO will not go to war against Russia because he has nukes, and if Ukraine had kept theirs, he would not have attacked them. This is a terrible message but convincing. For the video, audio podcast, transcript and comments: https://tosavetheworld.ca/episode-423-ukraine-and-nuclear-weapons.