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Let’s face it: some people are  never, ever going to take a COVID vaccine.  A member of Joe’s family is one such person, and he really wanted to know where that point of view came from, so he asked Mark for help.  Mark and Joe discuss the anti-vax position, the larger phenomenon of distrust that’s central to understanding it, and how we can work to navigate a seemingly unbridgeable ideological divide. (Recorded March 18, 2022.)