Host Havokpus is joined solely by frozencreek to discuss some CS:GO and Vainglory before hopping into our week against TSM and CLG. Neither of us is sure how to rate Cloud9 at this point. The standings say one thing, but is it the story of how the split is going? We also talk a little bit about Ray vs. Impact and our perpetual debt in top lane in-game earnings. We then talk a little bit about Rift Rivals. Though we're only two matches in (at the time of recording). We finish with a Skadoodle moment of the week and some quick Rift Rivals predictions