Adele Buckley is a retired physicist and Pugwash activist who manages a listserv of articles on Arctic security issues. David Harries has served as a military officer in the Canadian Arctic. Adam Wynne is Metta Spencer's assistant. we discuss the vulnerability of the undersea cables and the weakness of Canada's presence with equipment in the Arctic, though Russia is expanding there and other countries see their own interests there. UK is holding naval exercises now in the Barent Sea, with some 35,000 participants from many different countries. Although the "World Order" that is familiar will probably be replaced, it is unclear what we should expect the "new normal" to be. For the video, audio podcast, transcript and public comments: https://tosavetheworld.ca/episode-432-the-new-normal/.