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This week Brie is joined by a stacked panel of journalists -- Irami Osei-Frimpong, Q Anthony Ali, & Zaid Jilani -- to discuss the new divide on the right that emerged after Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy defended the use of H1-B visas to import labor from India for tech jobs. Conservative opponents of these visa recipients find themselves making populist arguments decrying the downward pressure on American wages and the competitive disadvantage college debt causes for American workers. But at the same time, they engage in racist anti-Indian stereotyping. Are Elon and Vivek right about American culture making workers too apathetic and less competitive? Do Americans suffer from watching too much Saved by the Bell and not enough Whiplash (a real argument made by Vivek)? And does this discourse provide an opportunity for the left to provide a material anaysis that could start to draw right populists to the left?

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

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