Rachel Zucker speaks to poet, prose writer, professor, editor, publisher, Matthew Zapruder, an hour after his interview on Leonard Lopate Show, about Ai Weiwei, Tracey Ullman, and being a Commonplace listener. Zucker and Zapruder discuss their relationship as writer-editor, how Matthew appears in Rachel’s poems, power, sharing work with friends and trusted readers, the history of Wave Books, the Poetry Bus, why Matthew wrote Why Poetry?, Matthew’s relationship with his father and his father’s death, how to include not-knowingness, the kind of thinking you can only do in poems, having to say no to things, trying to do less and becoming less of a public person. Matthew reads from Why Poetry? and a new poem from an unpublished manuscript.