Paul and Kris finished Campo Santo’s lovely new release Firewatch, and have differing opinions… until Kris realizes he’s just a slower version of Paul. The discussion is largely spoiler-free — until later in the episode, when we warn you we’re about to talk about the ending, so listen with caution if you haven’t played it yet!

It’s a fascinating look at the definition of the word “game,” and how the player’s approach to it can change their entire view.

Also Paul gets undressed on camera and leaves. Not even kidding. Kris can now answer the questions boxers or briefs, innie or outie, and make educated guesses regarding his parents’ religion around the time of his birth.