Chris and Jamie are joined by Mike Cook to talk about his uneventful recent life as an academic specialising in AI. Then, Slay the Spire 2 summer begins at last and we pay tribute to Marathon’s weird little robo-goblin, the Rook.

• It’s Mike Cook! And it’s Next Level, Mike Cook’s new book!
• The book Chris mentions is More Everything Forever by Adam Becker.
• Slay the Spire 2! You, a Crate and Crowbar listener, probably did not need this link.
• Mike’s been known to enjoy a Jorbs from time to time.
• Bungie’s Marathon, again.

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Our intro music is by The Mandibles from their track Clambake. Many of the band members now tour as Count Bobo And The Bullion.