Joshua and Chad sit down with Mike Breen, founder and 3dm. Mike is a discipleship guru and we had the time to grab him at New Room 2015. For 30 minutes, Mike opens up on the rawness of discipleship, the language of "missional", the family space, and why movements must be anti-fragile.

The hosts also talk about the latest Ryan Adams/Taylor Swift collaboration and do a quick run down of New Room.

Mentioned:The Black Swan: The Impact Of The Highly ImprobableAntifragile: Things That Gain From DisorderThe Rise of ChristianityThe Triumph of Christianity